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		<title>By: TheFunded Respects Its Users &#171; Crastinate</title>
		<link>http://crastinate.com/2008/07/14/user-privacy-isnt-about-information-protecting-its-about-information-collecting/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFunded Respects Its Users &#171; Crastinate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] want to have a member directory, save an email address with permission. I have written about this previously when speaking about Google but this approach applies to all websites. TheFunded has respected its [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Willson</title>
		<link>http://crastinate.com/2008/07/14/user-privacy-isnt-about-information-protecting-its-about-information-collecting/comment-page-1/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Willson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 04:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A recent article, written July 31, 2008 by Nate Anderson for  http://arstechnica.com, explores the idea of privacy. In summary, Google took photos of a residence that was on a long driveway that was marked &quot;private road.&quot; There were already photos of the residence at the county assessor&#039;s office and Google pointed out to a judge the photos.

About privacy they said, &quot;. . . no one today has complete privacy. Except, perhaps, hermits.&quot;

To further quote the article:

&quot;Google basically says that it&#039;s up to people to scan Street View themselves, pick out photos that might be private, then notify the company. Staying off of private roads isn&#039;t Google&#039;s problem; it&#039;s the homeowner&#039;s.&quot;

&quot;At every point in its legal response, Google passes off the complaints over Street View as simply too petty too bother with—even as it admits that its driver may, in fact, have driven past a sign marked &quot;private road&quot; to take the photo.&quot;

Is Google concerned about our privacy? According to this article, it sounds as if the only concession they make is to begrudgingly let us remove information if we can discover it ourselves. And they would be the search engine we would use to find that information.

To me, Google is starting to sound a little evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent article, written July 31, 2008 by Nate Anderson for  <a href="http://arstechnica.com" rel="nofollow">http://arstechnica.com</a>, explores the idea of privacy. In summary, Google took photos of a residence that was on a long driveway that was marked &#8220;private road.&#8221; There were already photos of the residence at the county assessor&#8217;s office and Google pointed out to a judge the photos.</p>
<p>About privacy they said, &#8220;. . . no one today has complete privacy. Except, perhaps, hermits.&#8221;</p>
<p>To further quote the article:</p>
<p>&#8220;Google basically says that it&#8217;s up to people to scan Street View themselves, pick out photos that might be private, then notify the company. Staying off of private roads isn&#8217;t Google&#8217;s problem; it&#8217;s the homeowner&#8217;s.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;At every point in its legal response, Google passes off the complaints over Street View as simply too petty too bother with—even as it admits that its driver may, in fact, have driven past a sign marked &#8220;private road&#8221; to take the photo.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is Google concerned about our privacy? According to this article, it sounds as if the only concession they make is to begrudgingly let us remove information if we can discover it ourselves. And they would be the search engine we would use to find that information.</p>
<p>To me, Google is starting to sound a little evil.</p>
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		<title>By: dgandhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>dgandhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does the DMCA and like legislation tie Google&#039;s hands here?

My recollection is that companies which provide services online, most notably ISPs, but I think SAS companies might be tied in, are required to keep tracking information so that intellectual &quot;property&quot; &quot;crime&quot; can be tracked down, and if they don&#039;t they are held legally liable for the crime.

The viacom-google &quot;compromise&quot; is still a compromise of the users info, no matter how you look at it, the greeking and &quot;no analysis&quot; clauses are toothless, and powerless against anybody who knows regular expressions.

The moral of the story SAS has an Achilles heal, and it&#039;s stupid laws developed by copy monopolies, and enforced by ignorant judges.

Hold your own data, or it&#039;s not yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does the DMCA and like legislation tie Google&#8217;s hands here?</p>
<p>My recollection is that companies which provide services online, most notably ISPs, but I think SAS companies might be tied in, are required to keep tracking information so that intellectual &#8220;property&#8221; &#8220;crime&#8221; can be tracked down, and if they don&#8217;t they are held legally liable for the crime.</p>
<p>The viacom-google &#8220;compromise&#8221; is still a compromise of the users info, no matter how you look at it, the greeking and &#8220;no analysis&#8221; clauses are toothless, and powerless against anybody who knows regular expressions.</p>
<p>The moral of the story SAS has an Achilles heal, and it&#8217;s stupid laws developed by copy monopolies, and enforced by ignorant judges.</p>
<p>Hold your own data, or it&#8217;s not yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Ely Rosenstock</title>
		<link>http://crastinate.com/2008/07/14/user-privacy-isnt-about-information-protecting-its-about-information-collecting/comment-page-1/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Ely Rosenstock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read about that too. I&#039;m impressed with Viacom here. They didn&#039;t have to agree to this new agreement but they did. From what I&#039;ve read, Viacom never wanted people&#039;s personal info from Google (or so they claim). We have a new enemy - tech-dumb judges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read about that too. I&#8217;m impressed with Viacom here. They didn&#8217;t have to agree to this new agreement but they did. From what I&#8217;ve read, Viacom never wanted people&#8217;s personal info from Google (or so they claim). We have a new enemy &#8211; tech-dumb judges.</p>
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		<title>By: Cobas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cobas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google actually agreed to supply a sanitized version of their database to Viacom, with usernames and IP addresses blanked out:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/212226/google-wins-agreement-to-anonymise-youtube-logs.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google actually agreed to supply a sanitized version of their database to Viacom, with usernames and IP addresses blanked out:<br />
<a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/212226/google-wins-agreement-to-anonymise-youtube-logs.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/212226/google-wins-agreement-to-anonymise-youtube-logs.html</a></p>
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